Tackling The Bathroom: Chapter Two

When we say we’re “tackling a room” it’s usually a figure of speech, but in this case it’s pretty close to being a literal description of our big bathroom demolition weekend (check out this post for more info on why we’re doing it and this post for our plan for the space). The biggest surprise from our weekend of knocking stuff out and gutting the room? Well, the bathroom sorta tackled back.

Before we could be all “in with the new” we had to take care of that pesky ”out with the old” part. Here’s what the bathroom looked like once we cleared all the simple stuff out (baskets, shower curtain, mirror, rug, etc). We told Burger to say goodbye and he wasted no time…

Then Sherry helped me remove all of the fixtures (toilet, vanity, faucets, shelves, shower curtain) and it was up to me to demo out the tiled portion of the walls and the entire floor (since Sherry’s busy doing other important things these days). And demolishing wall and floor tile was actually something I’d never done before (neither had Sherry, and boy was she sad to miss out on the fun). But how hard could smashing stuff up really be? Famous last words, right? After some online research and chatting with friends and family, we readied ourselves with the necessary demolition supplies. They fell into three categories:

Who knew knocking down a bunch of tiles took so much prep? But in the end I was thankful for (and used) every last item. Here’s the three-day fully detailed rundown.

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Day One: After shopping for all of this stuff last Friday evening, we returned home to do the basic – and cleanest – tasks first. We worked together to remove the old vanity by simply turning off the water, disconnecting the plumbing with a wrench and unscrewing the vanity and sink from where it was attached (both to each other and to the wall). After that it just took one strong tug to lift the sink off and carry it out of the room (quickly followed by the base of the vanity).

With that gone, we turned our attention to the toilet – which we actually plan to reinstall afterwards since we replaced it just a few years ago when we moved in. It was a similar process of turning off the water, then disconnecting the plumbing, the seat, the tank and the bowl one-by-one.

And of course we plugged up the sewage opening with an old rag to prevent any nasty fumes from escaping (and to keep debris from entering later).

With those big items gone- followed by simply unscrewing the shower fixtures- the room was entirely clear and it was time to get rested up for Saturday.

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Day Two: We woke up bright and early thinking that Saturday would be the only demo day. I, the non-pregnant member of our household, was going to be a one-man wrecking ball while Sherry kept her distance from the mess and the dust (trust me, she wasn’t sitting around eating bon-bons she was hovering and wishing she was the one with the sledgehammer). But with our house being built during the era of lead paint, we were EXTREMELY careful about keeping Sherry away from the demo zone AND keeping the demo zone away from Sherry just in case there was any lead paint lurking behind the newer coats of latex (i.e. I didn’t wear my dirty clothes outside of the room, we sealed off the doorway with a thick plastic drop cloth, and any wayward dust or dirt was immediately cleaned up with a wet rag and TSP cleaning solution- which is recommended when dealing with potential lead-paint dust). And of course I was all decked out in my protective gear for added safety (goggles, gas mask, gloves, old clothes that we disposed of afterwards, etc).

Oh and here’s a tip whether you’re dealing with lead dust or just regular dust (which is also nasty and will permeate every cranny of your entire house if you let it). It helps to seal up heating vents, bathroom ceiling fan vents and even to cover your “toilet hole” (yes, that’s a technical term) to keep nasty debris from invading those alcoves (and potentially spewing all over the place once the heat/fan is turned on). Plus you don’t want to clog up your sewer with fallen chunks of wall tile.

Speaking of sealing things off, here’s a view of the heavy duty plastic tarp that Sherry stared at all day, constantly asking me what was going on because she just heard banging, crashing, and probably a fair amount of muttered profanity. It’s just a heavy duty plastic drop cloth, but when taped in place it’s really an amazing way to keep everything nasty in the room… and out of the rest of your home.

But back to the view behind the bubble. As mentioned, I entered looking like a confused comic book character (the googles paired with the gas mask created sort of a pathetic villain vibe) and thanks to all my prep work the night before, I quickly began knocking off those wall tiles. I was implementing a simple crowbar-laid-at-a-tile-edge technique, followed by a few strikes of a short handled sledgehammer. Let’s just say it was slow going. As in, it broke loose a tile or two for every four or five swings of the hammer. Very quickly, the sheer amount of work this would take me started to set in. Not to mention what I discovered behind the tile was NOT modern backerboard or drywall (which I was hoping to saw out) but rather two inch thick concrete mortar sandwiching a sheet of thick mesh-like metal. It was an older tiling technique that I had read about online but somehow never realized could be found in our older home. D’oh.

But having committed myself (by way of heavily sealing myself into the room and already being quite dusty) I decided to plug away. After all, the “hit it as hard as I can technique” was working – just ever so slooooowly.

Fast forward six sweaty hours later (not sexy-sweaty, gross exhausted-sweaty) and I’d finally managed to get all of the tile off the wall. Even with the floor tile left on my to-do list, at this point I would have thrown my arms up victoriously… but I barely had enough energy to move them. Plus, the amount of tile rubble surrounding me made any fast movements a risk to my balance. I never imagined how much trash our tiny bathroom would create (it could have something to do with the fact that someone decided to tile ALL THE WALLS) but I was very grateful that we invested in a large box of heavy duty contractor trash bags. Note: don’t fill the bags with more than you can lift because I don’t know anyone who can carry a trash bag full of rocks (even a weird gas-mask-and-goggle-wearing comic book character).

But before turning to clean-up, I decided to power through two more hours of work (basically as long as my bladder would last – oh the irony of spending the day in the bathroom but having nowhere to “go”). Sure all the wall tiles were down, but I now had to demo out the stuff behind them to get down to the studs (and cinder blocks, I soon discovered)- which mainly consisted of a few inches of serious mortar with that maniacal metal-mesh sheeting nailed to the studs behind it. With my supposed “one day” of demo quickly looking like two (or three?) I wanted to at least make a dent in all of the thick metal mesh and mortar that taunted me from every angle. This involved smacking it with a hammer to knock as much of the mortar off (and often using the back of the hammer to pry it). Then, once that nasty metal-mesh was mostly exposed, I used the back of the hammer to pry it off of the wall (it either pulled it off of the nails in the studs/furring strips or pulled the nails right out along with it when I used enough force). And that’s when I discovered the cinder blocks (!) behind the window wall…

I got two walls completely stripped down to the studs/furring strips before my arms (and bladder) nearly gave out and it was time to call it a night. And since the gym was closed (where I’ve been showering) and I was coated with debris, I had to rinse off all the dust I collected over my eight hour workday outside with the hose in 40 degree weather. Sherry did bring me some hot water with a washcloth and a bar of soap in the end, but I was still standing barefoot on the patio freezing my sore bum off. Yeah, I don’t want to talk about it.

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Day Three: Sunday kicked off early with sore muscles, cramped hands and the removal of all of Saturday’s trash by way of dozens of heavy-duty contractor’s trash bags (I left about ten inches of demo’d tile on the floor the night before, so getting it out to the garage was important since balance is key when holding sharp objects like a crowbar). Oh and we started a pile of trash in our garage that we’ll haul away once the project is 100% complete. We plan to rent a $19-an-hour pickup truck from Home Depot and pay about $8 to drop everything off at the local dump (which ends up being much cheaper than renting a dumpster although it’s a bit more labor intensive since we’ll be hauling stuff ourselves). Just carting out all that smashed up tile, mortar, and metal sheeting took about an hour or so, followed by another four hours of metal mesh removal and then another round of clean-up. Why clean up again? Because I had to clear the way for my next assignment: the floor (so first I had to find it again). Here’s that intense metal mesh I’m talking about that was behind all the tile and a few inches of heavy-duty mortar. Yeah, it’s not chicken wire:

Seriously, our bathroom could have doubled as a bomb shelter.

Anyway, after having gone through all of this on the walls (and it being about 4pm on the day before I had to go back to work), I knew I could/had to do the floors more efficiently. We had actually chipped away a section of flooring before starting demo work, so we were already aware that our worse-for-wear-basketweave tile was also set in mortar atop metal mesh which rested on diagonally placed subfloor beams (the fact that the mortar and metal sheeting was also in all the walls of the bathroom was the added surprise). So, thanks to some googling ahead of time, I already knew that a demolition hammer was my ticket to getting ‘er done. And thank goodness hardware stores like True Value rent those suckers for about $60/day. Remember they gave us a place on their DIY Blog Squad along with a generous gift card? It certainly came in handy, so from the bottom of my heart, thank you True Value, for saving me from what I can only guess would have been ten more hours of hard labor.

But back to my new favorite power tool. The demolition hammer is like a mini-jackhammer and is by far the biggest powertool I’d ever used (that’s not saying much for me, though). So I trepidatiously placed the chisel against a grout line on the floor and pulled the trigger. With a few sharp pounds of force, up came a section of tile (and the concrete beneath it). Victory! Now somewhat reinvigorated by my trusty destruction device (and feeling more like a cool superhero instead of a disheveled goggle-and-gas-mask-wearing weirdo) I was able to break up the entire floor in about 90 minutes. Kinda made me wish I had used it on the walls. Sigh.

Speaking of which, I have to admit that this whole demo adventure was a little bit of a roller-coaster ride for me. There were times when I felt like giving up because the task seemed insurmountable and there were times that my body just wasn’t up to the challenge (after a few of the more challenging hours). But then there were other times – like as I pried up the last of the metal mesh on the floor to expose the raw bones of our house – that I was excited by the amazing transformation I was bringing to our bathroom. I mean, it’s kinda awesome to stare at the basic structure of your house…

… even if it includes an area of rot next to the tub (more on how we remedied that in a later post).

And happily, my roller-coaster ride came to an end around 11pm on Sunday night. There’s nothing like eking things out when it’s down to the wire. I had finally removed all the last bits of trash and rubble, dusted and shop-vac’d as much of the remaining dust and dirt as I could and even wiped down most surfaces and tools with a rag moistened with TSP cleaning solution (again, trying to be sensitive to potential lead issues). Amazingly, the demo was complete – just in time for me to get about seven blissful hours of shut-eye before dragging my weary body off to work the next morning. And yes, there was another cold outdoor shower, but this one didn’t seem half as bad…

Psst- Wanna check out Chapter One of the big bathroom redo? Click here for those deets.

  

 

 

 

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GREAT post! thanks so much for sharing! Looking forward to the final results.

Just wanted to say hooraaay John!

Ok, WOW. Your last post had me set on redoing our bathroom… now I’m thinking it can wait!

Good work!! It looked exhausting, way to power through! I have to ask, how did you learn how to do all of this? Lots of Googling? I’m pretty clueless when it comes to anything this intense… re-caulking our tub is about as complicated a project I’ve undertaken! :)

Hey Kara,

We actually have a post all about the learning process over here at Casa Petersik set for later this week so stay tuned. It’s basically a whole lot of googling and asking experts. We’re also not afraid to hire a professional if we get in over our heads, but we always like to attempt things that seem to be in our skill level. Most of the time with enough research and determination we’re victorious!

xo,
s

OSHA frowns on working barefoot ;)

Haha, well we agree! Our sincere apologies. We promise to be more aware of our lower appendages next time!

xo,
s

Oh my! I think we are going to have to look through our entire demo plan, and double the time it takes to get it done. We settle on our not-so-new (130 year old) house on Friday and plan to start demo on Saturday. It has two and a half baths, all that need to be redone. We bought a smaller version of the demolition hammer since we have a lot of tile (including the kitchen tile) to get done.

Are you planning to hire our the rest of the plumbing and new electrical in the bath?

Hey Ati,

We actually are keeping the existing electrical and plumbing (with a few minor tweaks that we can make ourselves). The pipes were updated a few years back and we had an outlet added back then too (can you believe this bathroom didn’t have a single plug for a hairdryer or electric toothbrush?!) so everything should be up to snuff. Hope it helps!

xo,
s

Congrats on the tile demolition! I’m sure it will be a beautiful, functional bathroom again in no time! I remember helping my dad knock out tile in our guest bathroom (very similar to yours except the tile was olive green and peach!! Ick!!) and I know that it’s a tough job.

I, too, am ready to demo and redo my bathroom. But my 60-year-old-plus house probably has similar issues hiding beneath its, uh, vintage facade so I’m thinking I don’t want to go it alone. Does it add a LOT to your bill to have a contractor do the demo?

Hey Abby,

Good question! We’ve have heard of contractors charging anything from $1000 to $5000 just to demo out a bathroom that’s as intense as ours (with thick mortar walls and floors with wire behind them) so we definitely encourage you to call and get a bunch of estimates to find the right man for the job. Most handymen put in less insane days than John (usually from 8-3) so it would be at least three days of work and they’d probably want two men on the job… so you can see how the cost starts to get up there. You can definitely save some cash by DIYing it if you dare (or begging able bodied brothers, boyfriends, neighbors, uncles, etc). Other contractors might also quote a bit lower by taking “shortcuts” like skipping the floor demo and suggesting that you tile right over your original floors, but since we didn’t want ours to be raised a few inches (we wanted it to look seamless with the rest of the house) going all the way and gutting it seemed like the right choice for us. Be sure to find someone reputable though! You might find someone on craigslist who says they’ll do it for $300 but they might not even know what tools to use and they could even end up costing you more money in the long run (if they bust a pipe in the wall or tear through electrical wiring for example). Hope it helps!

xo,
s

Wow. I’m exhausted just thinking of all that work. All while probably overheated to boot. Can’t wait to see the rest of your reports!

We just redid our 1960’s bathroom. Our shower was a little cave like closet covered from top to bottom with aqua tile. Since I too have a bun in the oven, my husband decided to call in the troops. Fortunately, one of his best friends owns a small construction company and they’re slow right now. When I got home from work after the demo day, something my husband originally planned to do on his own, his friend could not stop talking about how fortunate it was that hubby had called in reinforcements. We had four inches of concrete on each side and the same metal stuff too. Our little bathroom grew just by taking the old tile down (and busting down a small wall and getting rid of the ceiling that was 2 feet lower than the rest of the bathroom). I’ve got to say, the 1600 we spent on having the demo and everything fixed and reinstalled is starting to seem like a GREAT deal!

Can’t wait to see how yours looks in the end. We’re trying to decide whether we can manage the hall bath on our own.

Wow. Just reading about demoing the tile I got tired. Good work. Can’t wait to see the rest of it!

Holy cow! So much work but wow! You did an awesome demo job! I’m looking forward to seeing the transformation!

That comment about how the bathroom could have served as a bomb shelter made me chuckle out loud. U guys are so funny. However, I am glad the huge dirty job is over as far as the demo. I am impressed John made it back to work on Monday. If only he could have worked out a deal with the gym like, hey, I will throw in an extra $25 bucks if you just let me shower in non-40 degree shower in my backyard when your closed! Laughing… I can’t believe you did that. Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Great work, John, and you did it in record time! When you bought your house did your half bathroom already have hardwood flooring or did you take up tile in that room, too? Also, did your house inspector give you a heads up about the rot at the tub since it may have been visible from the crawl space? My Mother in law lives in a 60’s rancher and it’s built like a tank.

Hey Denise,

Thanks! And good question – the half bathroom had some linoleum in it when we bought the house, but we peeled that up shortly after moving in and actually just painted and sealed the plywood as a temporary fix. But when we put down new hardwood floor in the kitchen and den we extended it into that bathroom for consistency.

And nope, the house inspector didn’t catch the rot when we bought the house. We don’t know if he just missed it (yes, it should’ve been visible from the crawl space) or if just wasn’t as severe back in 2006. We noticed a few months after buying the house that the way the tub slants it tended to divert water to that spot. We quickly fixed it with some heavy duty caulking but maybe the damage was already done! Either way, we totally agree with you that these things are built like tanks.

Best,
John

Great job John! I hope that you took an Aleve! LOL I can’t wait to see the completed pictures! And Sherry I’m sorry that you are missing this project! You guys are great!

John,
After reading your blog I can totally sympthasize with you. My girlfriend and I have a house that was built in the 1970’s and I personally have come to find out that DIYing is not as easy as it seems at first. Enough rambling and to my question. When was your house built? We have two bathrooms that look almost identical to the one pictured in your blog and personally I strongly dislike one of them and believe the second one could use a face lift! Best of luck with all the home improvement!!!

Hey Ryan,

Our old ranch was built in 1956. Hope it helps!

xo,
s

John,
Your commentary is informative and funny. I laughed out loud at some of your descriptions. We are just starting to remodel our guest bath. After taking down what we thought was one layer of wallpaper (actually two)we are now on the hunt for new vanity, tub, toilet etc. and lots of tile removal. We found that the size vanity we currently have is not a standard size so have gotten est. from Home Depot as well as a woodworking shop. OOOH expensive! Thanks for the “heads up” on the actual time involved. So my question for you. Are you planning to replace your tub? re -glaze etc.

Hey Vicki,

We’re definitely going the professional reglazing route. Our tub was actually reglazed about ten years ago (we inherited the paperwork with the house in 2006) and it held up really well for the most part. Of course over ten years later (and after John’s big demo) it’s ready to be redone so we plan to get lots of references and pay top dollar for something that will last for the long haul. Hope it helps!

xo,
s

Are you going to lay the tile yourself or are you going to contract it out? (I am especially interested in the floor tiling.)If you are doing it yourself, any tutorials in the works?

Are you going to move the sink drain pipe up, so it’s kind of hidden like the Restoration Hardware model you linked to? Or are you going to keep it where it is and have it exposed? It looks like you might not be able to use the top shelf on the Crate and Barrel stand if you’re not moving the drain, but I’m sure you guys have it all figured out! I’d love to see a whole blog entry on the assembly/modification of the night stand-turned-sink!

TG- We’re definitely going to DIY the tile installation and of course we plan to share the step by step process when we get there. Stay tuned…

Alan- We’re actually planning to notch out the vanity a bit to accommodate the exposed plumbing because we don’t mind that look and it’s well within our skill level (while the Restoration Hardware approach isn’t). We think we can still use the shelves for the most part if we’re careful so stick around for the plan in the coming weeks.

xo,
s

sounds like fun! i’m looking forward to seeing the finished result. my husband and i sit here and think to ourselves … do we dare buy an old fixer-upper in la? because it would need some serious love … oh the dilemmas!! thanks for the inspiration!

It sounds like there are a lot of us out here with bathrooms built to the same “bomb shelter” specs! Maybe it was the cold war era reflecting in construction techniques, hmmm. Both bathrooms in our 60s ranch had the metal mesh, inches of concrete mortar and stubborn little tiles. One was baby blue and one was pepto bismol pink (we still call them the girl’s bathroom and the boy’s bathroom, even though it’s just the two of us). Our former pink bathroom is now a marble, wood and glass oasis. And it’s at least three inches bigger than it used to be before the demo! The former blue bathroom is still a work-in-progress.

Great work! We too have a house built in ‘55 with basketweave tile and square tiles up the wall. We like the vintage look (the floor tiles are different shades of pale yellow), but I hate the burnt orange/rust accent color on the wall tiles. We thought about redoing it but decided to just make it work since we were told it had the wire mesh behind it and would be major work.

What do you think about us salvaging the floor tiles, but getting rid of the wall tiles and doing a beadboard wainscoting on the walls? Would that be consistent with the style of the house? We have beadboard wood on the ceiling in our den and around the skylights.

That would be a gorgeous and smart solution! We even thought about the wainscoting option for our bathroom but since we couldn’t save the floor we opted to go the full monty and just hang new drywall on the walls. Since you’re saving your floor though, wainscoting is a great way to achieve a totally fresh look that stays true to the era of your home. Hope it helps!

xo,
s

how are you guys contending with the lack of a shower while you’re working on this project?? Especially with all the snow we got here on the east coast, I saw you mentioned something about an outdoor shower??

Hey Elizabeth,

Without the added snow issue we’ve been using the gym (John goes there in the morning before work) and John’s sister’s house (she lives really close by so I swing through in the evening). Since we’ve been snowed in the past two days there has been some in-sink hair washing and washcloth bathing while standing on the bath mat in the half-bathroom but no more outdoor showering. It’s just too cold for that business!

xo,
s

Question:

After removing the old tile, you’re left with a line of caulk & grout stuck to the tub. I am saving my tub, so want to minimize the scratches to it, and was wondering what the easiest way you found to remove the grout? The plastic thing (technical term) I am using is taking a TON of elbow grease! THANKS!

We also used a plastic spackle knife and occasionally whipped out a metal one as well (very carefully to chip off just the grout without scratching the tub). We wish there was a secret product that did all the work for us, but I’m afraid elbow grease is the way to go. Hope it helps!

xo,
s

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