Loo Re-Do On My To-Do
So apparently the “Dude” in Sherry’s “Dude, Get On That Already” is calling my name. So I got on the toilet. Okay, that sounds weird. What I mean is – the toilet in our hall bathroom has rocked a little bit from the day we moved in (the inspector even noted it on our little home inspection form). We quickly diagnosed the issue as a loose bolt, so “replace bolts on toilet” has been on my to-do list for over a year now. Yup, over a year. Why? Because replacing those lose bolts necessitated removing the entire toilet and reinstalling it. But I finally decided to seize the day toilet (amidst all of the photoshoot craziness) and tell this rocking throne who was boss. Why now? Something had to be done now that photo folks were actually using that room every day (hmm, a rocking toilet… embarrassing, much?).

We actually gave a toilet installation tutorial back in 2009 (using my parent’s bathroom as our model), but I figured I’d document this process because this project involves removing an old toilet first. And it’s also a good read if you have to replace your wax ring (it’s pretty much the same series of events) so hopefully it’ll help anyone else out there with a rocking/needs-a-new-wax-ring toilet. So ready yourselves for lots of somewhat grody and uncomfortable photos of the Petersiks’ potty. Complete with odd inherited rust spots and various caulk/paint spatters and discolored grout. Sounds like fun, right? Don’t say I didn’t warn you. Let’s start with turning off the water.

With the supply line is turned off, I flushed the toilet to get as much water out of the tank and bowl as possible. Since that didn’t get things totally dry, I broke out a sponge to sop up the extra water by hand. And no, I won’t show you a picture of my hand in the toilet bowl.

Once things were pretty dry, I unscrewed the supply line from the bottom of the toilet tank. We’ve got Clara’s diaper sprayer attached so ours looks a bit crazier than your average toilet, but the idea is basically the same.

There was a bit of water leftover in the supply line, so I had some paper towels on hand to soak it up.

Next up was removing the tank, which is bolted to the bowl in three spots. I was pretty much able to do it with a screwdriver all from the top, but I did have to unscrew the nut from the bottom side at one point.

Once it was unscrewed, I lifted it up carefully and set it down somewhere soft and out of the way. In this instance, that meant an old towel the bathtub. Oh yeah – we’re a classy operation ’round here.

Speaking of classy: here’s our topless toilet.

To remove the bowl, I had to unscrew the bolts on either side – this particular guy was the culprit for the rocking situation that got us into this whole mess:

With both bolts unscrewed, I used a gentle rocking motion to detach the toilet from the floor. It’s stuck to the floor in place by a wax ring (just wait for that beautiful picture – it’s coming up!). But once you’ve got it unstuck, the bowl comes up pretty easily.

And here’s that beautiful picture I teased. If you’re eating breakfast, you might want to stop scrolling. You can see I plugged the hole with an old rag to minimize the odors creeping back up and assaulting my nostrils. You just have to be careful not to put it in so deep that it gets lost into the sewer system. You might anger the Ninja Turtles living down there.

Since the old wax ring had to come up to make room for the new one, I got to scraping. This is probably the grossest picture of the post, so please accept my apologies. But rest assured that it’s just wax and rust – nothing more.

Oh, and I made sure to remove the old rubber reinforcement ring too. This comes in some wax rings, so it shouldn’t be left in place (our new wax ring had one in it).

I also had to clean a little bit of the wax off of the base of the bowl too so it was all pretty looking. Well, pretty is probably a stretch.

Here’s the new wax ring kit. It came with new bolts and everything for a whopping $6 at Home Depot.

The new ring gets stuck to the bowl, not the floor. I just pushed it slightly down over the opening at the bottom of the bowl. Be sure to have an inquisitive chihuahua double check your work.

Oh, and of course the new bolts had to go into place around the flange (that’s the steel piece attached to the floor – ours is very rusty). And remember to pull up the rag right before you put your toilet back into place (again, so as not to meet the wrath of Ninja Turtles).

Then came the tricky part – which I’ve been known to mess up in the past – putting the toilet bowl back into place. It’s tough only because (1) they’re a bit heavy and (2) you have to line it up perfectly over the bolts. But if worse comes to worst, you just pull it back up and try again (though if you’ve squished your wax ring too much you may need to put a new one on). That’s why I always buy two wax rings just in case. Better to spend an extra $6 to save a trip to the store (or risk a leaky toilet). Plus you can always return it the next time you’re at the store if you don’t end up needing it. Oh and this step can be helpful with two people (not only did Sherry take this picture to document things, then she got on the floor and helped me slowly lower the toilet down onto those bolts so it was all nicely aligned).

Once we had the toilet placed and straight, well, I sat on it. And Sherry took a picture. But the toilet-sitting was for good reason. I had to put a little bit of pressure on it to squish the wax ring into place to ensure that we were getting a good seal. I wish I could say this is the first post that featured a picture of me on the john, but alas…

Once it felt pretty set, I went to work bolting it into place. You can see how the new bolts stick up nicely through the holes in the bottom of the toilet bowl.

I hand tightened the nuts most of the way, but used a wrench to finish things off. The thing about a toilet is you don’t want to over-tighten because it can easily crack the ceramic. So just be sure to do this slowly. Note: that is not a hairball on the floor, it’s a weird rust stain that has been there since we moved in. So we plead the fifth.

I also had to bust out the hacksaw to cut off the extra length of bolt (so the little plastic covers can fit over them and hide the bolt entirely).

Bowl securely in place? Check. Not rocking anymore? Check. Now it was time for some tank action. I put the tank back into place on top of the toilet and screwed it in. Again, not too tightly because I didn’t want it cracking. But enough so that it felt secure and I didn’t think it would leak.

And last but not least, I reconnected the water supply line so we could check for leaks around the base of the bowl, the bottom of the tank, and where the water line is connected.

All of that checked out okay, so I ran a line of caulk around the base of the toilet. I only did it around the front 75% of the bowl so that if a leak were to happen in the future, it could escape out the back and alert us to the issue (that’s a little plumber’s trick we learned a few years back for ya).

Now this is usually where a toilet replacement adventure would come to an exciting conclusion. But this particular bathroom drama has another chapter. Because another thing on my more-than-a-year-overdue to-do list was to install a dual flush converter in here.

We did this in our last house so you can read a more in-depth description of the why and the how of dual flushing here. But basically this $20 converter kit (which is now sold at Home Depot) lets you take a normal toilet and give it two flushing options: a lighter flush for, um, lighter “activities” and a fuller one for the, you know, other stuff. Hooray for saving water (and money) and pretending your toilet is from the future.

The installation was a cinch compared to the whole wax ring replacement stuff. Here’s a shot of the finished product.

And for the grand finale – and “after” shot of our now fixed, now dual-flushing toilet. Sure, it looks pretty much the same. But just try sitting on it. It’s soooooo much better. No more seasick-esque motion. No more shouting a warning to guests who head down the hall to use the facilities. And admit it, that diaper sprayer on the right is hardcore. Like our toilet is wearing a little holster or something…

So that sums it up. Has anyone else had any bathroom adventures lately? Actually – let me phrase that more carefully. Has anyone else done any plumbing or bathroom fixture updates recently? Don’t want to hear about other sorts of activities going on in there. Oh and does anyone else know how to get hairball-esque rust out of tile? We’ve scrubbed that odd little squiggle of orange to no avail.
Psst- Now that I’ve assaulted your eyes with toilet pictures, check this out (it’s much cleaner and sweeter).
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oops! I love that John ***is*** most always barefoot in posts :)
The toilet at my work has the same “affliction”. It’s a blow to the ego when you sit down on something and the whole thing noisily shifts.
When we winterize the cottage my dad uses a turkey baster to remove the last bits of water in the toilet. We buy a new baster every year because we aren’t convinced the grody one didn’t end up back in the kitchen…
Thank you SO MUCH for posting this! Very timely, as last night I noticed water in our basement…turns out our 1950′s toilet (with a wooden seat, mind you!) was leaking…so we need to replace it and the wax ring. I am a newbie to home improvements like this, so your step-by-steps will be a great start for us on this loo adventure!!!
Hey Sherry and John,
My wife and I completely revamped our 1/2 bath after we moved in. Not only did we replace the toilet, but we ended up moving it slightly. Also installed new pedestal sink and flooring. Check it out:
http://westwooddrivebts.blogspot.com/2012/01/1-thing-you-must-do-for-yourself-your.html
http://westwooddrivebts.blogspot.com/2012/01/floor-it.html
http://westwooddrivebts.blogspot.com/2012/02/creating-our-12-bath-moving-plumbing.html
Wow- awesome job!
xo,
s
Ahhh…put the wax ring on the toilet first…could have used that little nugget of advice 3 wax rings and some serious swearing earlier! We put it on the floor and kept trying to line the toilet up to it and the bolts. Good to know for next time!
So sorry Kitty! Glad to help for the future!
-John
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but bar keeper’s friend is supposed to work wonders.
You may what to check out this blog if you havent already
http://www.colonialrevivalrestoration.com/Home_Page.php
I’ve read every page, and I can tell you its chock-full of great renovation information. They even have a post similar to yours here about the toilet. Its a fascinating read.
Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks to everyone for such great info on this post!
xo,
s
You guys are lucky! When my hubby and I decided to tackle the toilet removal/replacement, we found a cracked flange that was one piece with the pipe in a slab floor- ugh!
We found that they actually sell a flange repair kit, thank goodness! So, everything went back together smoothly {except for the screwdriver hubby dropped down the drain hole that we couldn’t retrieve- yikes!}
Re: TB removal- You don’t necessarily need to detach the tank from the bowl when removing. It’s just heavier that way…And, you can pour a bucket of water into your toilet to lower the water level quickly- it won’t remove all of the water but will do a decent job.
Love you guys and looking forward to your book!
Thanks for the tips Lauren!
-John
I didn’t read all the comments, so I’m not sure if this has been pointed out to you. But, it looks like you caulked around the base of the toilet. That is not recomended, I know of home inspectors who will remove that to see if the toilet leaks.
Hey Jennifer,
You might have noticed that we only caulked around the front edge. This was a trick someone taught us that you still get a finished edge where mostly visible, but still leaves a lot of the back open to alert us to any leaks that may spring up.
-John
Thanks, John! I can’t tell you how timely this post was.
This tutorial may have saved my little 85-year-old neighbor a lot of money.
His handyman was trying to rip him off.
So glad!
-John
I’ve spent many a time laying on bathroom floors, helping my husband zero in on putting the toilet back on the two bolts – then we discovered that some people (smart people) just put two drinking straws over the bolts, and lower the toilet down over the straws; sort of a guide, you know? Works every time.
LOVE that tip!
xo,
s
Can you tell us the brand and model of this toilet? We are overwhelmed by the options at Home Depot and wondered if you did much research? Thanks!
This is just the toilet that we inherited with this house, but the favorite toilet we ever had was an American Standard for about 90 bucks at Home Depot. We even got a pricier Kohler and didn’t like it as much. Hope it helps!
xo,
s
I just did a little “dude, get on that already” action onmy bathroom last week. It’s so nice to have a functioning bathroom now too. Oh and I totally used the same dual flush kit from this post without even realizing it! Here’s a link for your viewing pleasure http://theambitiousprocrastinator.blogspot.com/2012/05/press-2-for-solids.html
Nikki
Love it!!! So glad you got on that. Haha.
xo,
s
Just wanted to say thanks real quick, my husband and I just bought our first house and we needed to know how to fix this exact problem. Your guide made it easy and even almost fast despite the fact that neither of us are “handy”
sooo Thanks!
So glad to hear it helped!
-John
I know this post is over a year old, but it was extremely helpful in replacing our toilet this afternoon! Thank you for the tips!
Aw, so glad!
xo
s